So what do you guys think of the 1G-GTE? 2.0 Twin Turbo I6

[sniper]

Well i have always liked the idea of the 1G-GTE, Its a small 2.0 inline 6 that is TWIN TURBO! I have been looking for a 1G swap for maybe 2 or 3 years and i finally found a clean one.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...RK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=110108438338&rd=1,1

It looks to be very very clean and well taken out of its host. And it was only 500 bux and i can pick it up locally. So what do you guys think of the 1G in general and what do you think about the auction i won? I will be picking up the motor within a week. I may put it into a AE86, anyone know of cars with that swap, links would be nice please! I hope it is as clean in person as it looks on the photos!

 

[Nick M]

I think it sucks. It has the size and weight disadvantage of an inline, with the displacement of a Honda. Lots of boost and only 200 hp.

 

[Peewee]

Fantasic motor for any car under 2200lbs.

 

[sniper]

true i suppose its not as compact as a V engine, but I6s are smooth and strong. Im sure i could get this motor to rev high and in a 86 i think it would be fun. as for high boost with no power, im sure thats because of the piping design and intake mani, they look very restrictive. Making a intake mani and single turbo mani will be fun. And thats all while the 1UZ project gets moving along. We'll see i guess.

 

[Peewee]

There are a few 1GGTE 86's running around in Aus.
Very nice little packages.

But there are also one or two 1UZ 86's running around...

a 1GGTE with 16psi boost will give near identical performance to an unopened, but tuned, 1UZ. (obviously off boost the 1G suffers).
I know this because a friend has a 1G with 16psi, and I have the 1UZ, and we are very very closely matched.

 

[sniper]

My friend who wants to now drop a 1G into his AE86 wanted to use a 1UZ but the manual trans swap along with the stand alone ecu just brings the cost too high. For just the cost of an Adaptronic ECU, we got the entire 1G swap, ECU, harness, trans everything. Also here in the states, you never ever see 1Gs, ever, so he like that idea. but yes parts will be hard to come by...

 

[Nick M]

What is this, Honda world?

The idea of a 2200 lb car is correct. Engines convert fuel into torque. Torque is a function of displacement. You are fighting a massive uphill battle. Yes, an inline is a better design than a V engine, but the engine is so small, it does not make up for it.

I could see replacing the original M engine in a 2000GT with that 1G motor, but not something heavy. How much does the Corolla weigh anyway? It can't possibly be Supra/Soarer heavy. Don't misunderstand me, it is your car. But since you asked for opinions, I shared mine. I think if you want improvement, get the 3SGTE. Same bore and stroke as the 2JZGTE.

 

[Peewee]

AE86's are about 2100lbs (ish)


And why does everybody say the 3SGTE is SOOOOOOOO much better than a 1GGTE??
Both are Toyota motors.
Both have been proven to be very reliable.
Both are 2.0L
Sure, the 3S will have the weight a 'little' bit further back.
But its more expensive outright, and a lot more expensive to convert to manual, and mount in a RWD position.

And if you are staying relatively stock then aftermarket parts don't really come into it...

 

[Lextreme II]

Hey why not get a Toyota 2RZFE? Its a little 4 cylinders with tough iron block and timing chain. Paradise Racing one Celica powered by a 2RZFE with I think GT42R and its in 7 seconds territory.

 

[Toysrme]

Buy a v6.
They'll probably be smoother than the old G block i6. They'll weigh between a boat anchor, and a good bit less. They're more economical. There's a parts chain for them.
$650 will get a JDM imported 3.0L 3vz-fe shipped from TigerJapan.
They'll make 210-220bhp 220-230ft-lbs easily during a swap without really changing anything. And nothing stops you from making 450bhp+ daily on one if you go turbo, or n2o.
The v6's are also alot more compact.
3s-gte's are bleh engines. Over-hyped, and they're problematic. And the v6's are far lighter than that engine also. lol! (people ditch the 3s-gte's are the v6's left & right. Even with the v6 is relatively stock & N/A.)


My vote is go v6. They're just better. =)




And unless it comes from a truck, they'll run up passed 7000rpm. The 3vz-fe's have been logged two-three times doing 7500rpm before it's stock fuel-cut. Tho it's a midrange engine & has nothing up there without a good port & polish, or a turbo. hah.

 

[sniper]

One of the main reasons for choosing the 1G was the price, thats it, simple as that. $510 got me EVERYTHING. 3S, great idea, I know all those good things about that motor, id love to do it, but its kind of in the same boat as a 1UZ swap, the trans conversion adds too much to the cost. And just the engine itself costs an-arm-and-a-leg. V6 is something i didn't consider, but only RWD manual trans i can think of is a 4 runner swap.. Not the sportiest engine out there.

The original plan was to throw a silvertop 20V into the 86, simple, easy, done a billion times. but for 500 bux you dont get much power and even less tq, all you really get is a motor that screams through 4 throttle bodies. For just the price of the suckier silvertop (vs the black top) with no engine harness, we went with an entire 1G swap, its cheeeeeeeep. Well i guess ill see if I got what i paid for...

 

[jibbby]

Modify the front end and suspension and drop in a massive 454 Chevy Iron block V8...Remove the hood and implant a Paxton supercharger on top of the motor for a little extra power boost...Install a stout rearend, tranny and some slicks with a Detroit locker LSD and it's over...Forget about these smaller weak arse Toyota engines where you got to boost the hell out of them to see anything worth while...:684: (Blasphemy, I am speeking)

Just my opinion.....:Eyecrazy:

 

[sniper]

^^^ speaking of the 454, i just pulled some heads off a boat which had an all stock 454 in it. Just ONE of the heads weighed more than an empty 1UZ block. It was insane. The Valves in it were the biggest i have ever seen



anyways, back on topic, the 1G has a W55 trans right?

 

[Toysrme]

All Toyota v6's share bolt & flywheel patterns. Coincidentally with the 3s-gte also. As they use the same E series transmission family. (Except for the 4a-gze's E51, which is different.)

 

[jibbby]

Yeah Sniper, those iron big block Chevy's weigh as much as an elephant for sure....I was only kidding around when I suggested a swap of that weight and size into such a little car....

I should have mentioned the even larger 572 GM crate motors instead of the 454......Now that is a real beast of a motor along with the LS7 motors which are a 7.4 liter pig that costs more then a small home. Power to wieght output on those motors are decent and track worthy for sure.....

 

[mshawari1]

I would say 1UZ-FE is better .. 260 hp 250 torque Fast response long life and cheap !!!
Complete LS400 front cut will cost around 1500 USD .. I think complete 1UZ swap will cost 1000 USD ​

 

[sniper]

jibby i figured you were kidding but im sure its been done. after my first time working on any American motor, the 454 had the biggest "Coffee can" holes in the block i have ever seen, don't even want to think about what a 572 would look like, eek......







Here is a video of a ae86 with a 1G in it, sounds like there are at least 3 maybe 4 people in the car haha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFKxmDtW7U

 

[jibbby]

Snipe - Just for talks sake I believe the 454 BBC and the 572 GM crate motors share the same physical dimensions... Just bigger bores....

In all seriousness I believe the Xuz.. motors would be a great swap option for you.. The aluminum block makes the V8 motors relatively light in weight which may accomadate your front end suspension limits, you also know you are getting great off the line torque which you may not achieve with a 6 banger.. If you can somehow single or twin turbo the 1uz.. V8 motor later on you will absolutely blow the doors off the car... As far as cash being spent on the motor I also feel you would fair best in that department too... These 1uzfe are plentiful and cheap...

That's my thought in a nut shell for what ever it worth...

 

[Nick M]

The compactness of the 3S is an advantage of the 1G. If somebody has dimensions on both and I am wrong, then share.

 

[UZZ30-Québec]

I think the V6 is the best choice.

more HP

better torque response

better fuel economy

less weight

parts are eazy to find all around the world.

no lag for the same or even better output.

headders and a Rotrex will make your V6 sound awesome and have a very good output.